CRL debate continues, Prof Kumalo says the conversation between the state and religion is the oldest in history

Prof. Khumalo sits down on the CRL debate, Are we reacting to the policy... or how it's being handled? Subscribe for more conversations as we continue to with various speakers..
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Is the issue really the law… or how it’s being introduced?
We sit down with Professor Kumalo, a leading voice in public theology, to unpack the growing debate around the CRL Commission and Section 22.

His take is clear:
Regulation is not the problem
The real issue is the approach and process

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Chapters

00:00 – Introduction
00:45 – Meet Professor Kumalo
02:10 – Why the CRL Debate Matters
04:30 – Church vs State: A Historical Perspective
08:20 – Is Regulation the Problem?
11:40 – The Real Issue: The Approach
15:10 – Challenges with the Current Process
19:00 – Can Churches Self-Regulate?
23:30 – Government & Church: Working Together
27:50 – Lessons from Other African Countries
32:40 – Is This a National Crisis?
36:10 – Advice to Government & Churches
40:00 – “Dialogue, Dialogue, Dialogue”
42:00 – Closing Reflections

Some say churches MUST be regulated...
Others say faith CANNOT be controlled.
What do you think?

An important question about faith, leadership and freedom in SA.
Should churches be regulated?

Can the state regulate faith?

We sit down with Michael Swain from Freedom of Religion South Africa to unpack the growing debate around faith, leadership and the role of the state in religion.
From the Section 22 process to concerns around church regulation, this conversation raises critical questions about freedom, accountability and the future of faith communities.

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